Hi - I can try to help anyone looking for ancestors who lived in Canada or the USA. I'm mostly limited to what I can find on-line and locally where I live (southern Ontario).
Anita
Hi Anita.
I am looking for Edit Hansine Due, born 07-03-1912 in Skovlænge, Maribo county, Denmark.
She lived in Ny Adelgade 5, Copenhagen in 1942 and emigrated to Canada, anytime after that.
She was married in Canada with NN Remington-White.
She should be alive today, living in a nursing home, maybe around Kelowna, BC. Her houseband is dead and there is no children.
I am interested in her emigration, marriage and other informations.
Citat fra: Bjarne Due Pedersen Dato 06 Mar 2011 - 08:37
I am interested in her emigration, marriage and other informations.
I can only help with her emigration: She arrived New York from Copenhagen 6 November 1951 on the ship "Erria" listed as "in transit to Canada" (attached)
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Thank you, at least I know when she emigrated ;D
The marriages indexed for British Columbia, Canada don't show a marriage that happened after 1951 - we have a restriction and must wait at least 70 years before they are available for public viewing. I looked a bit and can't find a record of her in a phone book in Kelowna. Do you have any more information?
Are you sure she's still alive? What was the first name of her husband?
Anita
I dont know his first name :-\
She should be alive. I have arelative, a niece to her (82 years old), living in Norway, and she have got some letters through the years. Edit is old now, 99 today, and living in a nursing home, and they promised to send a letter when she dies. She is blind and dont write anymore. But there is no letter yet, thats why I belive she is alive :)
I wonder, could Remington be a first name ? Nobody in the family know much about him.
Hi again.
Now i know something more:
Mr. Remington ? White was in a hospital in Toronto in 1951 and they married march 29, 1952.
They lived in his house at the banks of Lake Simcoe, he was in the age 50-60, and died sometimes after that.
After that Edith moved to 1292 Richter St, Kelowna BC V1Y2L2.
Hallo Anita.
If you have the time please see if you can find anythink at all about Robert Emil Jensen born november 15 1895 in Copenhagen. He got work at a ship going to New York and when he arrived there august 2 1916 he abanded the ship. He has probaply worked in New Jersey 1927.
Did he ever get married and got children are there any relatives? - anythink at all will help.
kind regards Erik
Hi Erik,
I'll help a little - the job for Bjarne is maybe occuping Anita right now.
Here he is (record attached).
9 Apr 1953 arrive New York
Robert Emil Jensen as a crewman on the Bylayl
Port of Departure: Hantsport, Nova Scotia
Port of Arrival: New York
Length of service at sea: 42 years
Position in ship's company: Ch. Eng.
Shipped or engaged: 06 FEB 1953
Where engaged: Galveston [Texas, USA]
Age 57
5'11", 180 pounds
Born 15 NOV 1895 in Denmark
Nationality: USA
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Registering for the USA draft, World War I
Date: about 1917
Robert Emil Jensen, age 22
Living at 101 Decatur Street, Charlestown, Massachusetts, USA
Born 16 November 1895 in Copenhagen, Denmark
Works as an engineer
Employer is Bergason and Pedersen of East Boston, Massachusetts
He is single.
Record attached
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1919 - Working aboard ship
List of crew on the SS Muskegon (record attached)
Name: Robt Emil Jensen
Arrival Date: 17 Mar 1919
Birth Date: 15 NOV 1895
Birth Location: Denmark
Age: 23
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Danish
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Muskegon
Passport NO. 798
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ABOUT 1942
World War II Draft Card (attached)
Name: Robert Emil Jensen
Birth Date: 15 Nov 1895
Birth Place: Copenhagen, Denmark
Residence: Bergen, New Jersey
Race: White
Residence: 150 Wheaton Place, in Rutherford, Bergen County, New Jersey, USA
Mailing address: same
Telephone: RU2-0416
Age 46
Name of person who will always know your address:
Asta Jensen
Same address as him
Employer: Federal Ship Building and Dry Dock Co.
Place of employment: Kearney, Hudson, New Jersey (company office I suppose)
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This must be his death record:
Social Security Death Index
Name: Robert Jensen
SSN: 152-05-3304
Last Residence: 10940 Middletown, Orange, New York, United States of America
Born: 16 Nov 1895
Died: Dec 1973
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951)
Thanks Homer. Yes that must be him.
The Ancestry database contains many ship's records for Robert Emil Jensen.
I don't see Robert and Asta (wife or daughter I presume) in the census, do you Homer?
All the different places he lived are not so very far from each other.
Citat fra: Jane Christiansen Dato 07 Mar 2012 - 01:39
I don't see Robert and Asta (wife or daughter I presume) in the census, do you Homer?
A possibility? (only circumstantial evidence and might be coincidence):Arrived New York from Copenhagen 26 Oct 1930 on ship United States:
Asta Jensen 34, passport 25 April 1930, home c/o Mrs Nielsen, 831 Clinton St, Hoboken, New Jersey
Robert Jensen 8, born 31 Dec 1921 Weehawken, New Jersey, " " "
Anette Nielsen, 59, passport 26 april 1930, " " " [mother of Asta?]
[They were probably abroad when the 1930 New Jersey census was taken]Social Security Death Index
Name: Asta S. Jensen
SSN: 149-20-7567
Last Residence: 07065 Rahway, Union, New Jersey, United States of America
Born: 20 Aug 1896
Died: 6 May 1988
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951)
Social Security Death Index
Name: Robert W. Jensen
SSN: 153-16-5798
Last Residence: 07066 Clark, Union, New Jersey, United States of America
Born: 31 Dec 1921
Died: 19 Mar 1996
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951)
Hej Erik,
Try e-mailing Wendy Hudson http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njdane/index.html. She is the expert on Danes who lived in northeastern New Jersey.
Med venlig hilsen
Paul
A big thank you to all of you for the info :D
and I will contact the person Pauls has come up with.
Kind regards Erik
I believe this is Robert with wife Asta and son Robert in the 19 April 1930 Weehawken, New Jersey census, misspelled as Jansen (attached):
In 1920, Asta Nielsen was in Hoboken with her father Bendex and mother Anette, her immigration year listed as 1911.
Asta's father was a Marine Engineer (attached)
The 1930 census shows that Esther (phonetic spelling of Asta) and Robert had been married nine years,
Robert's immigration year 1914, Esther's 1911, and Robert was a Marine Engineer
The 1930 census was taken six days before Asta obtained her passport.
Since she listed her mother's address on the return voyage, Robert may have gone to sea.
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Thank's Homer.
I have just got a lot of info from Wendy in US and maybe she can find living relatives. At least she is looking into it right now, maybe I am more lucky :D
Best regards
Erik
Hello Anita.
I write to you and hope, that you will be able to find information about this family. Until now all search has been in vain. From a deed dated 1889 in Ribe, Denmark I know, that they must have emigrated to San Francisco, USA. I would be very happy, if you can find a passengerlist, census etc. Here are some details:
Niels Peter Hansen, born 12/5 1853 in Ribe, the name of his father was Hans P. Bernhard (born 1893, Ribe). I also give you his name, because I found Niels in a census from 1870 in Ribe called Niels Bernhard but in a census from 1860 his name was Niels Hansen, so it could be possible, that the name Bernhard is used in a census in US. Niels is merried to Christiane Martha Sofie Lamp, born 10/3 1863 in Ribe. They have following 3 children:
Mathias Bodewaldt Hansen, born 26/7 1882
Ane Marie Hansen, born 28/2 1886
Sofie Marie Hansen, born 22/12 1887.
The family sells the house in Dog Street, Ribe on the 9/4 1889, and I can conclude that they must have emigrated in 1888 or 1889.
I also know, that a sister to Christiane emigrated to US a few years before and settled down in California, San Francisco, Alameda. Maybe this family also could have settled down in this area?
Thanks,
Erik R. Jensen
roedsgaardjensen@webspeed.dk
Erik, you have not been ignored, as I and probably others have searched ship manifests and U. S. records for your family and found no matching records.
If the son Mathias was living in USA 1917-1918, he would have been required to register for the World War 1 draft, but there is no registration of a person born that date with that or a similar name.
What was the sister Christiane's birth date and married name if applicable?
Another question:
You state, "From a deed dated 1889 in Ribe, Denmark I know, that they must have emigrated to San Francisco, USA."
Yet later in your post you make San Francisco, USA seem like a guess.
Does the deed (for the sale of the house I presume) say the family immigrated? If so, does it say where?
The family could be elsewhere in Denmark, or elsewhere in the world (such as Canada or Australia).
Mvh
Hi Jane.
First of all here is my answer to your question about the deed. I am 100% sure about San Francisco. Here is a transcript of the first line in the deed, dated April 2nd 1889:
The undersigned Niels Peter Hansen, formerly of Ribe, now San Francisco in North America, sell deed and transfer all respect from me and the heirs of.........
And now to Homer:
Thanks very much for searching different records trying to find information about the family. You ask for information about the sister to Christiane, here it is:
Her sister is born and baptised Stephania Elise Kathrine Lamp, March 27. 1860 in Ribe. She got married to Martin Ludvig Peter Bjergby (born November 17. 1853 in Copenhagen, Trinitatis) on June 15. 1879 in Skt. Pouls parish, Copenhagen.
They get following children:
Mathias Bodevald Lamp Bjergby, born January 19. 1881, Sct. Catherine parish, Ribe. he dies April 16. 1881 in Ribe.
Anna Bjergby, I still haven't found her birth. But I know of her existence from an emigration to US in 1883. On a passengerlist i found Stephania Bjergby and Anna Bjergby (11 month old), but not Martin - Stephanies husband. Stephania and maybe also Anna returns to Denmark shortly after. Today I know the reason, she was getting a divorce from her husband.
In 1887 i found Stephania leaving for US again, but know with her maiden name: Stephania Lamp. On the passengerlist I can't find her daughter Anna.
Then something strange happenes. I find on a passengerlist (Hamburg - Le Havre - New York) from 1888, Anna Bjergby of Ribe (19 years old???) together with a Niels Hansen of Ribe (35 years old). This Niels Hansen could be that Niels Peter Hansen, married to Christiane, his age fits, but there is a big problem with Annas age. I have asked my self, how many do you find with the name Anna Bjergby and furthermore from the same small town like Ribe??? I think this is strange? Can you trust all data on a passengerlist?
Martin, now single, dies October 16. 1929 in "Alm. Hospital", Copenhagen.
Stephania settles down in California, Alameda, Oakland Township, Oakland City and gets married to Conrad Keller. I have a copy of a census from 1910 with the family. One of their children - Heinriette keller, born March 06, 1892, dies December 06, 1967 in San Luis Obispo, California, was married to the famous jazz singer and actor Al Jolson.
This is what I know about her sister.
Thanks again
Erik
Citat fra: Erik Rødsgaard Jensen Dato 11 Mar 2012 - 23:17
Then something strange happenes. I find on a passengerlist (Hamburg - Le Havre - New York) from 1888, Anna Bjergby of Ribe (19 years old???) together with a Niels Hansen of Ribe (35 years old). This Niels Hansen could be that Niels Peter Hansen, married to Christiane, his age fits, but there is a big problem with Annas age. I have asked my self, how many do you find with the name Anna Bjergby and furthermore from the same small town like Ribe??? I think this is strange? Can you trust all data on a passengerlist?
Erik
Erik, I think the 1888 passenger list is misleading:
The 15 July Hamburg departure list is poorly written and might be interpreted that Niels "Hans" is also from Ribe.
But the 30 July New York arrival clearly lists Niels as a sailor from Hundborg, Thisted.
(attached for comparison)
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Hi Homer.
I think you have a point here. But I still can't get this Anna Bjergby out of my mind. Two different people with the same special name and from the same small town. Well of course, in fact there is no evidence indicating, that we are talking about the same person. This is not so important, what more matters is, what became of the Hansen Family?. Of course I also want to find out the secrets about Anna Bjergby, when and where she was born. I hope that this forum will help me to find out.
Thanks again for your quick answer.
Erik
Hi - Bear in mind that Bjerby is a place name, and people with that last name aren't necessarily related (although of course it's also true that they could be). Fascinating that Henriette was married to Al Jolson!
Hello!!
Can anybody assist ..? I would like to know more about my grandfathers children, if any, and professional life, originally he was a farmer, but apparantly became a miner (River Bridge Wayside Mine BC).
My grandfather emigrated to Canada, married, became a Canadian citizen in Vancouver September 23/25 1934. Please see Ancestry.com reg. below.
He died in Vancouver 12.12.1973:
Reg.: no 1973-09-017305
Microfilm no: B13329 (GSU no 2050284)
He married Karen Larsen (Hjorth). Place: Vancouver.
Reg. no 1934-09-415343
Microfilm no B13767 (GSU no 2135986)
Emigration:
Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924 about Axel Hjorth
Name: Axel Hjorth
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Birth Place: Gotermarie
Age: 27
Date of Arrival: Aug 1923
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Copenhagen, Denmark
Ship Name: Montlaurier
Østermarie er fejllæst som Gotermarie.
Closest relative in Denmark:
Carl Mathias Hjorth, father
Baggaard? pr Hasle.
Destination in Canada: LLoydminster, Alberta.
I have no ancestry.com membership and so would be very! grateful for further information
BR Hanne
Hi Hanne,
Attached is his birth and baptism record from Danish Archives Online, Øster Marie parish, Bornholm county
(1893-1898 opslag 26 no.6)
Born Aksel Hjorth 27 March 1896, parents Karl Mathias Hjorth and Hanne Magdalene Sofie Rasmussen.
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This is probably Axel's father and paternal grandparents in 1880:
Bornholm, Øster, Østermarie, Østermarie Sogn, , en Gård, 438, FT-1880
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Rosinius Laurentius Hjorth 46 Gift Gårdejer, Husfader Østermarie sogn
Cathrine Marie Funch 49 Gift Hans Hustru Olsker sogn
Laurits Peter Hjorth 20 Ugift Deres Søn Østermarie sogn
Albine Marie Hjoth 19 Ugift Deres Datter Østermarie sogn
Søren Christian Julius Hjorth 17 Ugift Deres Søn Østermarie sogn
Rosinius Hjorth 16 Ugift Deres Søn Østermarie sogn
Emilie Cathrine Hjorth 13 Ugift Deres Datter Østermarie sogn
Anine Regine Sofie Hjorth 11 Ugift Deres Datter Østermarie sogn
Carl Mathias Hjorth 8 Ugift Deres Søn Østermarie sogn
Ejnar Hjorth 1 Ugift Deres Søn Østermarie sogn
Marie Mogensdatter 30 Ugift Tjenestepige Sverig
Barine Kofoed Olsen 19 Ugift Tjenestepige Østermarie sogn
Axel Hjorth 38 and wife Karen Hjorth 23 returned from a trip to Denmark in August 1934 on the S. S. United States, departing Copenhagen 16th and arriving Halifax 25th.
Axel listed his birthplace as Østermarie Denmark, Karen as Kongsted Denmark.
Axel again listed nearest relative as father Carl M. Hjorth of Hasle and Karen listed him also as father-in-law.
Karen listed she had first been in Canada 1913. Do you have a birthdate for her?
A Karen Larsen was born 29 May 1911 in Kongsted, Præsto.
Thanks Homer!
But yes, I have the information you supplied, only not Karens (who lived the longest) death certificate, which might unveil, whether they had children. And I don't have any clous on how to research Axel's professional life as a miner.
BR
Hanne
Citat fra: Hanne Holck Dato 15 Mar 2012 - 10:42
Thanks Homer!
But yes, I have the information you supplied, only not Karens (who lived the longest) death certificate, which might unveil, whether they had children. And I don't have any clous on how to research Axel's professional life as a miner.
BR
Hanne
Sorry, I misunderstood your query. Since Axel was your grandfather,, I thought Karen was your grandmother and that you were in Canada. Now I realize that she must have been a later wife.
Information after 1930s is more difficult to obtain in US and Canada because of privacy laws, and the latest Canadian census Ancestry has available is the 1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta.
Karen's death:
British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990
about Karen Hjorth Name: Karen Hjorth
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1911
Death Age: 74
Death Date: 14 Oct 1985
Death Location: Vancouver
Registration number: 1985-09-017093
BCA Number: B16576
GSU Number: 1358016
Here is what Ancestry lists regarding above:
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About British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990
This electronic index of death registrations in the Canadian province of British Columbia was compiled by the British Columbia Vital Statistics Agency and the British Columbia Archives. The Vital Statistics Agency has released registrations of deaths that are at least 20 years old, in accordance with the Vital Statistics Act and the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act.
The following information is provided in the index: surname, given name, gender, year, month, day, event place, registration number, British Columbia Archives microfilm number, Genealogical Society of Utah microfilm number. The index will only confirm the existence of a record on microfilm for the date listed. Once you have found an entry you can then view the actual record by obtaining a copy of the microfilm, and/or by contacting the British Columbia Vital Statistics Agency (http://www.hlth.gov.bc.ca/vs/index.html)
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The web address listed above is no longer valid and is now: http://www.vs.gov.bc.ca/ Perhaps you can obtain her death certificate from them. The informant will usually be a descendant if they had children.
A miner's work was difficult, dangerous and unhealthy.
Thanks so much Homer :) - I take it that I must pay 50 $ for a copy of Karen's death certificate and see if there were any children as informants. Thanks again for the information you've supplied /Hanne
Citat fra: Hanne Holck Dato 15 Mar 2012 - 14:18
Thanks so much Homer :) - I take it that I must pay 50 $ for a copy of Karen's death certificate and see if there were any children as informants. Thanks again for the information you've supplied /Hanne
A death certificate is $27:
Certificate of Birth, Death, and Marriage $27.00*
Certified True Copy of Birth or Marriage Registration Document $50.00*
You might also post a query on these sites:
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.canada.britishcolumbia/mb.ashx
http://genforum.genealogy.com/canada/britishcolumbia/
Hjorth is an uncommon name and several are listed in British Columbia directory:
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Hjorth/BC
Thank you! I'll try via family tree and message board at ancestry.com BR Hanne
I am hoping to get your assistance with the following people:
Nils Nilsen Dalsmon/Dolsman born Nils Nilsen on 7 jan 1855 in Skoger, Buskerud, Norway married Pauline Gunelia Frederiksdatter on 10 nov 1874 in Sandsvaer, Buskerud, Norway. Pauline was born 10 aug 1853 in Sandsvaer, Buskerud, Norway. Children born to them in Sandsvaer, Buskerud, Norway were Baby Nilsen stillborn on 25 sep 1873, Nikolene Frederike Nilsen born 28 may 1875 died 1878, Bolette Emily Nilsen born 4 sep 1877, Hans frederik Nilsen born 5 sep 1879 and Karl Anton born 3 may 1882. .
They immigrated in 1885 to the U.S. The first records I find on them are located in Blooming Praire, Dodge County, Minnesota. The are in the 1885 State census. They stayed there til about 1894. Several more children were born them as follows: Clara N. Dalsmon born 1883 died 1891, Nels Peder Dalsmon born 1886, Ludvig Theodore born 1888, Clara born 1890.
Then they move to Roberts County, South Dakota about 1895. One more child was born there as follows:
John Edmer Dalsmon born in 1897. The family was in the 1900 Roberts County Census but not located there in the 1920 Census. Pauline and Hans were in the 1910 Roberts County, South Dakota Census. Pauiine seems to travel and always be near Hans.
The family appears to split up. In 1905 or so Nils, Karl Anton and Nels Peder are found in Alberta Canada. Pauline, Hans, John and Ludvig and Clara are found in Montana. Nels Peder at times is found in Montana. Nils and Karl who went by his middle name Anton buy land or homestead. Nils died in Enchant, Lethbridge in 1923. Death date for Karl Anton is unknown.
Hans, Ludvig and John never married. Hans died in 1943 in Roberts County. John and Ludvig both died in 1963 in Roberts County. Clara married a Micheal Jozovich in Butte, Silver Bow County, Montana and lived there the rest of her life died in 1952. Bolette Emily who went by Amelia appeared in Han's 1943 obituary that said she married a man with the last name of Hansen and still lived in Minnesota. That is all the is known about her. Nels Peder married Helga Svendsen and lived in Montana.
The where abouts on Pauline are a mystery. The last record I have on her is dated 1919 in Roberts Couny, South Dakota for a land purchase. I have looked for her in the 1920 census but have been unable to locate her. I have checked the Montana and South Dakota state death indexes and have not located her.
The Dalsmon name has been spelled as Dalsmon, Delsmon and Dolsman. Pauline's maiden name has been listed as Frederiksen and Frederiksdatter.
thanks for your help on any of the people above.
Pam
It seems like Anita Griffith, who started this, isn´t on anymore.
I posted « Svar #6 Dato: Tirsdag 21 02 2012, 05:47 » and haven´t got any responce at all.
Pam, would it be better to start your own thread? Posted here, people reading the list of forum topics can't see that you have asked for help with your project. Only those who have chosen to take an interest in this thread are reading your question(s).
Homer, can I ask you one more question?
Will there be a viable way to search Canadian newspapers for obituaries, as I know details as to name, date and place, do you think?
BR Hanne
Citat fra: Hanne Holck Dato 15 Mar 2012 - 23:59
Homer, can I ask you one more question?
Will there be a viable way to search Canadian newspapers for obituaries, as I know details as to name, date and place, do you think?
BR Hanne
You can try the lookup volunteers listed here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~obitl/vwcan.html
I would try the archives listed first.
Good Luck!
Citat fra: Homer Ficken Dato 16 Mar 2012 - 00:17
Citat fra: Hanne Holck Dato 15 Mar 2012 - 23:59
Homer, can I ask you one more question?
Will there be a viable way to search Canadian newspapers for obituaries, as I know details as to name, date and place, do you think?
BR Hanne
You can try the lookup volunteers listed here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~obitl/vwcan.html
I would try the archives listed first.
Good Luck!
But the first ones apparantly are from Alberta and Karens death place is Vancouver BC ... Anyway.
Thanks a lot and I'll try :)
Citat fra: Hanne Holck Dato 16 Mar 2012 - 01:04
Citat fra: Homer Ficken Dato 16 Mar 2012 - 00:17
Citat fra: Hanne Holck Dato 15 Mar 2012 - 23:59
Homer, can I ask you one more question?
Will there be a viable way to search Canadian newspapers for obituaries, as I know details as to name, date and place, do you think?
BR Hanne
You can try the lookup volunteers listed here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~obitl/vwcan.html
I would try the archives listed first.
Good Luck!
But the first ones apparantly are from Alberta and Karens death place is Vancouver BC ... Anyway.
Thanks a lot and I'll try :)
... I'm being disconnected from ancestry.com (IP address, apparantly, can't imagine why) ...
That's too bad about the problem reaching RootsWeb.
I think the Wayside Gold Mine of Bridge River, British Columbia, is about 140 km north of Vancouver. Wikipedia and other internet sources say it is located on the north side of Carpenter Lake at latitude 50° 52' 30", longitude 122° 49' 40." It is 3.2 kilometres north of Gold Bridge, British Columbia.
Active exploration of Wayside Gold Mine began in 1906. See the link, below, for more history.
The area around Wayside was being explored not only by mining companies but also by small, independent prospectors. There would be many different jobs associated with mining. Perhaps Axel was one of the men tunnelling underground, but maybe not.
The main mining camps were Bralorne and Pioneer Mine. During the 19th century, large hydraulic mining operations ( = using water power) stretched for thirty kilometers in this active mining area.
It seems the Wayside Gold Mine had a typical mining set up for the miners. The company built and owned houses and other facilities for the miners. It governed the small miners' communities. Footpaths connected the mine adits (adit = opening to a mine).
By 1933 the Wayside vein system had been exposed on five levels in 300 metres of tunnelling. Its vertical span was 150 metres. Production in 1915 and from 1934 to 1937, totaled 39,109 tons, yielding 166.1 kilograms of gold and 26.1 kilograms of silver.
http://www3.telus.net/bradian/wayside.htm
http://198.103.48.36/studelev/froche/mike/photo-eng.php?PHPSESSID=fcde7f8629e57d602e4efaab9a83a468
Does all this sound like the place where Axel worked as a miner?
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Family Search link with "how to" find information in Canada:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=P&Juris1=300&Event=Birth&Year=876
Also, maybe write an email to Anita who offered to help find people in Canada. She doesn't seem to come back to the forum, but is willing to help.
You say Axel started out farming, then became a miner. Do you think it could have been that he was mining when he was younger, and farming when older? I have three brothers on my family tree who emigrated Denmark to Vancouver area (late 1800s) and became prospectors (the people looking for good places to build a mine). They invested in mines that were not so very far from Wayside. Later they turned to farming. The mining areas would be explored actively and developed, but then later abandoned when mining became unprofitable.
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* A sketch of Wayside Gold Mine location that shows relative location of other mines...on Carpenter Lake, at the foot of Mount Penrose. Attached.
* A photo of Pioneer Mine (#2. on the sketch, to the right)
* Miners in Gold Bridge, British Columbia
A link with more information and photos (includes a photo of a chunk of gold!):
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=6444
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A sign commemorating Bralorne and Pioneer mines and other mines (such as Wayside) in the Bridge River mining area.
"BRIDGE RIVER GOLD
The famed Bralorne and Pioneer mines constitute British Columbia's leading gold camp.
In the 1860s prospectors from Fraser River and Caribou region found gold in the gravel of Bridge River. Hardrock claims were staked in the 1890s.
More than $100,000,000 in gold has come from the rich ore of these mines since 1932."
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Attached is a postcard with a photograph of a Hjorth family in Aarsdale, Ibsker, Øster, Bornholm, Denmark.
This postcard was found in an antique shop in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. The inscription reads, "En Glædelig Jul og et godt Nytaar ønskes af Familien Hjorth, Aarsdale." The postcard had NOT been mailed. (It could have been brought by the owner from Denmark to Canada.)
The person who purchased this postcard is seeking the family. See link:
http://familyphotoreunion.blogspot.com/search/label/Hjorth
Is this Axel Hjorth's family, Hanne? His uncle Laurits is living in Ibsker sogn in 1921.
1921
Bornholm, Øster, Ibsker, , 137, 24, FT-1921, C9120
Laurits Peter Hjorth 5/4 1859 Gift Husfader Cementvarefabr. Østermarie
as a separate record on ddd.dda.dk, but seems to be same household:
Augusta Hjorth 22/3 1860 Gift Husmoder - Do [Østermarie]
Magda Hansine Bajer 22/1 1902 Ugift Tjenestepige Husgerning Ibsker
...also another Hjorth born in Østermarie...(is this the same household?)
1921
Bornholm, Øster, Ibsker, , 24 a, 8, FT-1921, C9120
Karl Hjorth 9/1 1895 Gift Husfader Gaardejer Østermarie
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Hjorth in the British Columbia marriage records online - you probably looked at these already:
Agnes E Newlander Hjorth (married in Vancouver in 1932)
Axel Hjorth (and Karen)
Carl Hjalmar Hjorth (married in Trail 1936)
Egnar Christian Hjorth (married in Vancouver 1926)
Morta Erika Hjorth (married in Vancouver in 1928)
Niels Christian Hjorth (married in Vancouver in 1900)
Niels William Hjorth (married in Victoria 1916)
Walter Hjorth (married in Victoria 1923)
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Now I see "En bror Einar Kristian udvandrer også, men der står ikke årstal."
Egnar Christian Hjorth married Dagny Viola Kildetoft on 14 January 1926 in Vancouver.
Dagny was born 30.03.1900 i Ølby, Sjælland.
It's a lot of English for you to read - I am sorry I don't speak Danish.
A miner's house in the 1950s, near Wayside Mine.
Bradian is a little town in this area, built for miners and their families. Bradian is currently being restored, houses painted and fixed.
Some of the other mining camps were covered with water when a dam was built. Wayside Mine (and I supppose its miners's houses) is one of the places now underwater.
Again, here is the link to the Bradian website, with a page about Wayside Mine.
http://www3.telus.net/bradian/index.html
The Wayside page:
http://www3.telus.net/bradian/wayside.htm
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Citat fra: Jane Christiansen Dato 16 Mar 2012 - 01:49
That's too bad about the problem reaching RootsWeb.
I think the Wayside Gold Mine of Bridge River, British Columbia, is about 140 km north of Vancouver. Wikipedia and other internet sources say it is located on the north side of Carpenter Lake at latitude 50° 52' 30", longitude 122° 49' 40." It is 3.2 kilometres north of Gold Bridge, British Columbia.
Active exploration of Wayside Gold Mine began in 1906. See the link, below, for more history.
The area around Wayside was being explored not only by mining companies but also by small, independent prospectors. There would be many different jobs associated with mining. Perhaps Axel was one of the men tunnelling underground, but maybe not.
The main mining camps were Bralorne and Pioneer Mine. During the 19th century, large hydraulic mining operations ( = using water power) stretched for thirty kilometers in this active mining area.
It seems the Wayside Gold Mine had a typical mining set up for the miners. The company built and owned houses and other facilities for the miners. It governed the small miners' communities. Footpaths connected the mine adits (adit = opening to a mine).
By 1933 the Wayside vein system had been exposed on five levels in 300 metres of tunnelling. Its vertical span was 150 metres. Production in 1915 and from 1934 to 1937, totaled 39,109 tons, yielding 166.1 kilograms of gold and 26.1 kilograms of silver.
http://www3.telus.net/bradian/wayside.htm
http://198.103.48.36/studelev/froche/mike/photo-eng.php?PHPSESSID=fcde7f8629e57d602e4efaab9a83a468
Does all this sound like the place where Axel worked as a miner?
Tank you so much! And indeed it is highly probable that this is the very mine
Citat fra: Jane Christiansen Dato 16 Mar 2012 - 02:05
Family Search link with "how to" find information in Canada:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=P&Juris1=300&Event=Birth&Year=876
Also, maybe write an email to Anita who offered to help find people in Canada. She doesn't seem to come back to the forum, but is willing to help.
You say Axel started out farming, then became a miner. Do you think it could have been that he was mining when he was younger, and farming when older? I have three brothers on my family tree who emigrated Denmark to Vancouver area (late 1800s) and became prospectors (the people looking for good places to build a mine). They invested in mines that were not so very far from Wayside. Later they turned to farming. The mining areas would be explored actively and developed, but then later abandoned when mining became unprofitable.
Axel was a farmer, when he left Denmark in 1923 (from Declaration of passenger to Canada SS Montlaurier) etc. He became a Canadian citizen in Sept. 1925 and on the Naturalisation Act of Oct. 1925 he is mentioned as a miner.
Citat fra: Jane Christiansen Dato 16 Mar 2012 - 05:18
Attached is a postcard with a photograph of a Hjorth family in Aarsdale, Ibsker, Øster, Bornholm, Denmark.
This postcard was found in an antique shop in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. The inscription reads, "En Glædelig Jul og et godt Nytaar ønskes af Familien Hjorth, Aarsdale." The postcard had NOT been mailed. (It could have been brought by the owner from Denmark to Canada.)
The person who purchased this postcard is seeking the family. See link:
http://familyphotoreunion.blogspot.com/search/label/Hjorth
Is this Axel Hjorth's family, Hanne? His uncle Laurits is living in Ibsker sogn in 1921.
1921
Bornholm, Øster, Ibsker, , 137, 24, FT-1921, C9120
Laurits Peter Hjorth 5/4 1859 Gift Husfader Cementvarefabr. Østermarie
as a separate record on ddd.dda.dk, but seems to be same household:
Augusta Hjorth 22/3 1860 Gift Husmoder - Do [Østermarie]
Magda Hansine Bajer 22/1 1902 Ugift Tjenestepige Husgerning Ibsker
...also another Hjorth born in Østermarie...(is this the same household?)
1921
Bornholm, Øster, Ibsker, , 24 a, 8, FT-1921, C9120
Karl Hjorth 9/1 1895 Gift Husfader Gaardejer Østermarie
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Hjorth in the British Columbia marriage records online - you probably looked at these already:
Agnes E Newlander Hjorth (married in Vancouver in 1932)
Axel Hjorth (and Karen)
Carl Hjalmar Hjorth (married in Trail 1936)
Egnar Christian Hjorth (married in Vancouver 1926)
Morta Erika Hjorth (married in Vancouver in 1928)
Niels Christian Hjorth (married in Vancouver in 1900)
Niels William Hjorth (married in Victoria 1916)
Walter Hjorth (married in Victoria 1923)
Karl Mathias Hjorth was Axel's father and Ejnar Christian Hjorth his brother. He emigrated the same year as Axel. They all came from Østermarie, Bornholm - but the Ibsker family might be related. Karl Mathias was married to Hanne Magdalene Sofie born Rasmussen. I haven't quite 100 % knowledge as to the farm/household - yet
Hi Hanne,
Here is a Hjorth family tree - these people are your Hjorth ancestors:
http://www.bornholm-stamtavle.dk/stamtavle/jochum/HTMLFiles/HTMLFiles_109/Rusinius_Laurentius_Hjorth_P19119.html
Lookup for Death Information: Maybe a volunteer at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness -British Columbia can help find out about Axel's Canadian-born children, if any. A volunteer might be willing to find obituaries for Axel and Karen, and copy information in the death certificates. The death certificates will probably name one of their children as "informant."
www.raogk.org
Homer also gave suggestions for ways to find the same information. The fastest way to get the death certificate for Axel is just to go ahead and pay the $27 - not so much money, if you just order the one.
Life as a Miner: In your online posts (here and last year) you asked many times about what life was like for Axel as a miner. That is why I pursued the information. The links I gave you give a vivid picture that I know you will enjoy and be thankful for after you have time to digest it all.
The Wayside Mine I told about IS the right one. On the Canadian Passenger Lists, as talked about earlier, Axel Hjorth can be seen to make a trip from Denmark to Canada in 1934. He listed his contact in Canada as Mr. G. Bancroft, Bridge River, Wayside Mine, B.C.
Ibsker Connection: There IS family (at least some family) to Axel Hjorth in Ibsker. His uncle Laurits Peter Hjorth moved there. In the 1880 census, you can see Laurits Peter Hjorth, 20, born in Østermarie sogn, Bornholm. Laurits is a brother to Axel's father. In 1921 census, you can see Laurits Peter Hjorth, born April 1859, born in Østermarie sogn, living in Ibsker sogn, Bornholm. Laurits's children were born in Ibsker sogn.
You can reply to a post by clicking SVAR at the bottom of a post. Most often you do not want to click CITAT, because then the whole post will appear again in the thread.
I think you have found out a lot about your grandfather! A big THANK YOU from me to you for sharing the journey!
:D
Mvh
Citat fra: Jane Christiansen Dato 16 Mar 2012 - 15:09
Lookup for Death Information: Maybe a volunteer at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness -British Columbia can help find out about Axel's Canadian-born children, if any. A volunteer might be willing to find obituaries for Axel and Karen, and copy information in the death certificates. The death certificates will probably name one of their children as "informant."
www.raogk.org
Unfortunately, RAOGK is no longer online, as the administrator died last November.
No wonder my brower wouldn't open the site. I thought it was me/my system. Thanks Homer.
Thank YOU, Jane and Homer!
Yes I have come far with the help from enthusiastic and skillful people as yourselves.
I will - as soon as I have a little break - contact the Ibsker part of the family.
And yes 27 or 50 CAD as it is for a photocopy is no big deal. I have filled and printed the form .... It is, however, Karen's death certificate or an obituary, if any, that will tell me, if there are any children in the marriage of Karen and Axel, I believe.
Thank you, Jane, for all your help, and, Homer, I tried the raog-link too and it failed. But I will try the volunteer-webside.
BR Hanne
Citat fra: Anita Griffith Dato 06 Mar 2011 - 01:28
Hi - I can try to help anyone looking for ancestors who lived in Canada or the USA. I'm mostly limited to what I can find on-line and locally where I live (southern Ontario).
Anita
Hello Anita,
I wonder if you - without to much effort i.e. - could (help me) trace any children, if any, of
Axel Hjorth, Vancouver BC, Born 27 March 1896, Østermarie Bornholm, Denmark, Dead 12 Dec 1973 in Vancouver
married to Karen Larsen on 16 April 1934 in Vancouver
Karen was born approx 1911 in Kongsted, Præstø, Denmark and died in Vancouver 14 Oct 1985
I know I can order a copy of her death certificate, but first I'll try this way
Thanks so much in advance.
BR Hanne Holck
Hello Jane,
Apparantly I cannot gain access to Anita's profile, and thereby I cannot mail her. Could you send me her email address at hanne.holck@gmail.com ? Thanks in advance
Hanne
Citat fra: Hanne Holck Dato 18 Mar 2012 - 12:10
Hello Jane,
Apparantly I cannot gain access to Anita's profile, and thereby I cannot mail her. Could you send me her email address at hanne.holck@gmail.com ? Thanks in advance
Hanne
Hanne, just click on the little envelope icon below Anita's name in her original post and an email form should open.
It shows her email as: anita.griffith@sympatico.ca
Thank you so much.
BR Hanne