I am trying to find the name of the father of Karen Marie Jensen born 19 Jan 1842 in Gjerlev, Randers, opslag 53 nr 1 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162626,27324239
She was confirmed 30 Mar 1856 in Gjerlev, Randers, opslag 146 nr 2 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162630,27324741
What surprises me is that I can't find them in the 1845 or later censuses until the 1880 census when she is listed with her husband and children.
Mange tak for din hjælp.
Med venlig hilsen
Paul
Father's name is Jens Iversen, Gaardfaester.
Eva M
Mange tak Eva. I am tracing one of my Danish relatives family tree from rainy North Carolina, USA.
mvh
Paul
Måske:
FT 1855
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=119179#119179,17417129 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=119179#119179,17417129)
Karen M. Jensen 13 Tjenestefolk
Mange tak Anne.
mvh
Paul
Hej Paul
I think you have Karen Marie here:
Randers, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Blenstrup en gaard, 69, FT-1845, B4936
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Hans Jørgen Kaas 29 Ugift Gaardfæster Vindblæs
Jens Rasmussen 22 Ugift Tjenestekarl Aistrup
Jens Christensen Rousing 53 Gift Aftægtsmand Blenstrup
Maren Christensdatter 40 Gift Hans kone Enslev
Ane Frederiksdatter 10 Ugift Deres børn Enslev
Maren Jensen 5 Ugift Deres børn Enslev
Karen Marie Jensen 4 Ugift Deres børn Enslev
Ane Jensen 1 Ugift Deres børn Enslev
Randers, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Blenstrup Bye, , , FT-1850, C3977
....
Jens Christensen Rousing 63 Gift Aftægtsmand Blenstrup
Maren Christensdatter 45 Gift Kone Enslev
Karen Marie Jensen 9 Ugift Barn Blenstrup
Jens Christensen Rousing and his wife Maren do not have a daugther, Karen Marie baptized - neither in Enslev nor in Gjerlev.
And - the wifes surname is not Christensdatter, it's Andersdatter - look at the baptism of the two daugthers, Maren og Ane:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162626,27324241
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162626,27324237
The marriage of Jens and Maren:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162628,27324548
So I think that Karen Marie is their foster child.
Hej Judith,
I agree that she is their foster child. I have been through all the Gjerslev parish records and censuses and can find no mention of Jens Iversen or Maren Andersdatter other than in the birth and confirmation records of Karen Marie Jensen. It is a mystery but not the first one I have seen. This is what makes genealogy such fun.
Med venlig hilsen og godt nytår
Paul fra North Carolina, USA
Hej Paul
Could Jens Iversen and Jens Christensen Rousing be the same person ?
There is in fact a Jens Iversen in the parish in 1839, 1840, 1841 and 1842.
I have checked some of the "Afgangslister og Tilgangslister" for the parish and this is what I found:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324586
nr. 44, Jens Andersen – leaves Jens Iversen in 1841
nr. 4, Dorthe Marie Nielsd. – leaves Jens Iversen in 1842
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324584
nr. 47, Jens Andersen, 33 ¾ år – leaves Jens Iversen in 1840
nr. 52, Andreas Jensen, 28 ½ år – leaves Jens Iversen in 1840
Randers, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Blenstrup, 1 Gaard, 53, FT-1840, C3998
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Jens Christensen 53 Gift Gaardmand
Maren Andersdatter 36 Gift Kone
Laust Chr. Jensen 9 Ugift Barn
Niels Chr. Christensen 15 Ugift Barn
Jens Andersen 33 Ugift Tjenestekarl
Ane Andersdatter 27 Ugift Tjenestepige
There is only one Jens Andersen by the age of 33 in the parish in 1840.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324563
nr. 38, Andreas Jensen, 28 ½ år – comes to Jens Iversen i 1840
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324581
nr. 3 – Ane Nielsdatter – leaves Jens Iversen i 1839
When you look at the baptism of Karen Marie you can see that Jens Iversens daugther, Maren "stod hos". Jens Christensen does have a daugther by that name from his first marriage:
Randers, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Blenstrup, en Gaard, 5, FT-1834, C3355
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Jens Christensen Rousing 48 Gift Gaardmand
Maren Jensdatter 41 Gift hans Kone
Christen Jensen 16 Ugift Deres Børn
Maren Jensdatter 13 Ugift Deres Børn
Christiane Jensdatter 7 Ugift Deres Børn
Laurs Jensen 3 Ugift Deres Børn
Ane Marie Hendriksdatter 40 Ugift Tjenestefolk
Thyco Andersen 24 Ugift Tjenestefolk
Also the blacksmith Laurs Laursen of Kjærby is witness at the baptism. He or his wife also is witnesses at the baptism of Maren and Ane.
But why Jens is called both Iversen and Christensen in the church books - well .....
Hej Judith,
I don't know how to thank you for all the time and effort you have put into finding Gens Iversen and Maren Andersdatter. I can only say tusind tak. Now to the 1840 census again to see if there is a solution to the problem.
Med venlig hilsen
Paul
Nothing in the 1840 census but I did find Dorthe Marie Nielsdatter coming to Gjerslev from Falslev 11 Nov 1841. https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324566
Ane Nielsdatter coming to Jens Iversen in 1838 nr 41. https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324560 I can't read the parish.
Ane Christensdatter coming to Jens Iversen 6 Nov 1838, nr 24 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324559
Andreas Jensen coming to Jens Iversen 6 Nov 1840, nr 38 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324563
Anders Jensen coming to Jens Iversen 23 May 1841, nr 20 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324565
Can I use this information to find Jens Iversen. Why all these people coming to Jens Iversen?
Mange tak for din Hjælp.
Paul
Hej Paul
Ane Nielsdatter came from Vindblæs parish :)
These people - coming or leaving Jens Iversen - are servants (tjenestekarle / tjenestepiger), and you can't use them to find more about Jens Iversen.
It just tells that Jens Iversen must have had a farm since he needed servants.
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Last night I found this:
http://ao.salldata.dk/vis.php?bsid=193073&side=14&kb=Retsbetjent: Randers, Skifteprotokol I, Gjerlev-Onsild herreder 1852 - 1859&height=781
1853:
Death of Jens Rousing. Underaged heirs. The widow in "uskiftet bo" = the children got no inheritance from the father.
No names of the children, unfortunately.
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Is there a Maren Jensdatter/Jensen among the witnesses when the children of Karen Marie were baptished ?
Hej Judith,
Here is the birth record of Jens Iversen Jensen Hoe. It mentions the wife of Søren Jensen, Maren Jensen. https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17125184#166711,27994207
Here is the birth record of Marius Jensen Hoe and it mentions Maren Jensen. https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#200633,38002752
Perhaps this helps.
mvh
Paul
Hej Paul
Yes :D
Here is Søren Jensen and his wife, Maren, in 1880:
Randers, Støvring, Randers Købstad, Kvarter/Rode 119, Rådmandsvang, Matr. 351 baghuset stuen, 471 F6, FT-1880, d2583
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Søren Jensen Vestager 53 Gift avlsbruger husfader Spentrup Sogn Randers Amt
Maren Jensen født Jensen 40 Gift husmoder Gjerlev Sogn Randers Amt
Søren Iver Sørensen 12 Ugift pleiesøn Essenbæk Sogn Randers Amt
Jens Christian Høi?? 15 Ugift pleiesøn Gjerlev Sogn Randers Amt
Maren is born i Gjerlev in 1840 - daughter of Jens Christensen Rousing and Maren Andersdatter.
And then - look at this:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162628,27324538
1836, nr. 2 - Maren Jensdatter of Blenstrup - her parents Jens Iversen Rousing og Maren Jensdatter ;D
Randers, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Blenstrup, en Gaard, 5, FT-1834, C3355
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Jens Christensen Rousing 48 Gift Gaardmand
Maren Jensdatter 41 Gift hans Kone
Christen Jensen 16 Ugift Deres Børn
Maren Jensdatter 13 Ugift Deres Børn
Christiane Jensdatter 7 Ugift Deres Børn
Laurs Jensen 3 Ugift Deres Børn
Ane Marie Hendriksdatter 40 Ugift Tjenestefolk
Thyco Andersen 24 Ugift Tjenestefolk
So - Jens is called both Iversen Rousing and Christensen Rousing !
Hej Judith,
You make Sherlock Holmes look like an amateur. I am amazed at your skill. Once again, thanks for all your help and expertise.
Med venlig hilsen
Paul
Hej Judith,
Here is the birth of Jens Christensen Rousing https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17122432#161437,27119932
I was hoping that his father was Iver but no such luck.
Here is a Jens Iversen, not the one I am looking for but perhaps his grandfather.
All persons in the household
Randers, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Blendstrup Bye Gaardmænd, , 3, FT-1787, B7179
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Jens Iversen 74 Gift Hosbonde Bonde og Gaardmd
Karen Christensdatter 75 Gift Madmoder
Anders Jensen 37 Gift Deres Søn
Anne Pedersdatter 28 Gift Hands Kone
Maren Andersdatter 3 Ugift Deres Barn
Niels Mussekiær 36 Ugift Tieneste Folk
Niels Nielsen 23 Ugift Tieneste Folk
Niels Christensen 10 Ugift Tieneste Folk
Karen Pedersdatter 20 Ugift Tieneste Folk
mvh
Paul
Hej Judith,
Here is an interesting family. Jens Iversen and his wife Maren Ancersdatter.
All persons in the household
Randers, Støvring, Randers Købstad, Von Hattenstræde, , 577, FT-1845, B6436
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Jens Iversen 72 Gift Wognmand Borup sogn Randers amt
Maren Andersdatter 55 Gift Hans kone Lem sogn Randers amt
Jens Christian Iversen 13 Ugift Deres søn Randers
Anders Iversen 23 Gift Deres søn,forpagtet kørselen Randers
Karen Sophie født Jensen 27 Gift Dennes kone Sundbye Aalborg amt
Oline Marie Iversen 2 Ugift Deres barn Randers
Andreas Peter Sørensen 23 Ugift Tjenestekarl Randers
Niels Jensen Veilgaard 26 Ugift Tjenestekarl Weilgaard Ringkjøbing amt
Ane Chatrine Møller 27 Ugift Tjenestepige Sever sogn Aalborg amt (Sebber)
Hej Paul
The family in Randers in 1845 - well that couple, or at least Maren, is to old to be parents to Karen Marie.
But I also think that Jens Iversen in Blenstrup 1787 is the grandfather of Jens Iversen/Christensen Rousing.
Here is what I found today:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17122432#161436,27119772
Jens Iversen and Christen Rousings daughter, Karen - betrothal in 1741
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17122432#161436,27119814
Jens Iversens son, Christen – marts 1756.
Randers, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Blendstrup Bye Gaardmænd, , 6, FT-1787, B7179
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Christen Rousing 32 Gift Hosbonde Bonde og Gaardmd
Karen Jensdatter 31 Gift Madmoder
Niels Christensen 4 Ugift Deres Børn
Jens Christensen 1 Ugift Deres Børn
Maren Andersdatter 71 Enke(mand) Konens Faster
Jens Andersen 21 Ugift Tieneste Folk
Mette Jensdatter 18 Ugift Tieneste Folk
Anne Pedersdatter 16 Ugift Tieneste Folk
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17122432#161437,27119926
Betrothal/marriage of Christen Jensen Rousing and Karen Jensdatter Hougaard in 1782
http://ao.salldata.dk/vis.php?bsid=193064&side=98&kb=Protokol: Randers, Skifteprotokol I , Gjerlev-Onsild herreder 1826 - 1830&height=759
The link doesn't work, but it is "skifteprotokol for Gjerlev-Onsild Herreder 1826-1830", opslag 98
Regarding the death registration of the parents of Maren Jensdatter (the first wife of Jens) – here again Jens is called Iversen Rousing.
http://hkpn.gst.dk/mapviewer.aspx?type=o1k_oekort&id=5735&elav=0880451
On this old map from 1816 you can find the name "Christen Rousing" on the field No 8 and in the village you find the farm itself, also No 8.
Hej Judith,
Thank you so much for all your hard work.
I agree that Jens Iversen Rousing and Jens Iversen are one and the same person. For some reason he chose to use both names, or the parish priest did.
This reminds me of when I was researching my 7th great grandfather in Barløse, Båg, Odense. His name was Jørgen Jørgensen and he was born circa 1608. When my father came to the USA he brought a book of genealogy about Barløse. All the facts in the book proved to be correct but the author said that circumstantial evidence indicated that Jørgen Jørgensen was the illegitimate son of Jørgen Steensen Brahe, the nobleman. I searched for paper evidence of this but could never find anything. And then one day, a kind Dane wrote me that there was a 1651 ciourt record from Barløse that said that Jørgen Jørgensen was the son of the late, esteemed Jørgen Kjeldsen.
And so I am not related to Danish kings, Byzantine Emperors, etc. But at least I know who my 8th great grandfather is.
Med venlig hilsen fra North Carolina, USA
Paul
Hej Judith,
Just for your information here is the 1651 Barløse court record. The information is in the first four lines.
Med venlig hilsen
Paul
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Hej Paul
I am glad that you - as I have been for same days - now are convinced that Jens Christensen Rousing is the same person as Jens Iversen (Rousing) ;D
And it must be funny to have the old document from Barløse.
In about two hours from now we will celebrate New Years Evening here i Denmark - starting with our Queen speaking to all of us on Danish Television.
So to you and your family - Happy New Year ... "og tak for kampen" ;)
Og en godt nytår til dig og din familie Judith.
mvh
Paul