Can't find Mette Marie Sørensdatter of Vamdrup

[Erik Schaefer]

I could use some help here.  I've gone over the pages so many times my eyes hurt!

I know Mette married Hans Nielsen in Vamdrup on 2 May 1845.  I have the record of that event.  I also have the following census with her:

Vejle, Nørre Tyrstrup, Ødis, Drenderup By i Ødis Sogn, 5 Huus, 171-F1, FT-1880, D4853

Name:    Age:    Marital status:      Pos. in household:      Occupation:      Birth place:
Hans Nielsen    65    Gift    Huusfader. Landmand       Vamdrup Sogn, Ribe Amt
Mette Marie Nielsen født Sørensen    63    Gift    hans Hustru       Vamdrup Sogn, Ribe Amt

So I believe she was born about 1817.  The marriage says she was 29 years old and from Vamdrup. Her parents were  Søren Jensen and Kirsten Margrethe Mortensdatter but I do not know if they were from Vamdrup or not.

Clearly by 1880 they had moved to Ødis.  I found her husband Hans Nielsen died in Ødis in 1883.


I cannot find any other records for Mette. No Birth, Confirmation, Burial or census records.  I've checked Ribe, Vejle and Haderslev censuses between 1850-1870 and find nothing.  Only her marriage in 1845 and the 1880 Census. 

[Erik Schaefer]

Maybe it is her birth in the Vamdrup 1814-1827 Churchbook (image K01-29-A). I'm sorry my AO is broken and it does not list Opslag.  It's the last birth on page 55 of the actual book.

Birth is 6 September 1816 but I can't really make out the parents names.  It looks like it could be Søren Jensen, but I am not sure of the mother's name.

[Erik Schaefer]

I found this 1834 census which I thought was her parents, but she would have been about 17 years old.  The 17 year old girl's name is Magdelena, not Mette Marie.  So maybe this is not the same family, or is her name wrong?

Ribe, Anst, Vamdrup, Vester Vamdrup, en Gaard, 36, FT-1834, C5408

Name:    Age:    Marital status:      Pos. in household:      Occupation:      Birth place:
Søren Jensen    57    Gift       Gaardmand    
Kirsten Magrethe Mortensdatter    53    Gift       hans Kone    
Anne Christine Sørensdatter    21    Ugift       deres Børn    
Jens Sørensen    20    Ugift       deres Børn    
Magdalene Sørensdatter    17    Ugift       deres Børn    
Mette Kathrine Sørensdatter    12    Ugift       deres Børn


EDIT:  The family after Søren dies.  Again the girl's name is Magdelene, not Mette Marie.

Ribe, Anst, Vamdrup, Vester Vamdrup i Andst Herred, en Gaard, 31, FT-1840, C8150

Name:    Age:    Marital status:      Pos. in household:      Occupation:      Birth place:
Anne Christine Sørensdatter    27    Ugift       Gaardens Eierinde    
Kirsten Magrethe Mortensdatter    58    Enke       Eierindens Moder, og af hende forsørges    
Jens Sørensen    26    Ugift       Eierindens Broder, driver Avlingen    
Magdalene Sørensdatter    23    Ugift       Søster, tjener i Gaarden    
Maren Jensdatter    15    Ugift       Tjenestepige

[Gitte Johansen]

Ribe, Anst, Vamdrup, Holdt bye, en Gaard, 112, FT-1834, C5408
Navn:   Alder:   Civilstand:   Stilling i husstanden:   Erhverv:   Fødested:
Jens Pedersen Tinggaard    40    Gift       Gaardmand   
Kirsten Hansdatter    38    Gift       hans Kone   
Hans Peder Jensen    6    Ugift       deres Børn   
Anne Chatrine Jensdatter    4    Ugift       deres Børn   
Peder Jensen    3    Ugift       deres Børn   
Ellen Jensdatter    1    Ugift       deres Børn   
Anne Chatrine Madsdatter    81    Enke       Huusfaderens Moder, af ham forsørges.   
Laurits Jørgensen    49    Ugift       hans Tjenestefolk   
Mette Marie Sørensdatter    18    Ugift       hans Tjenestefolk   

It is the right birth, you have found.

Father: Søren Jensen

Mother: Kirsten Margrethe Mortensdatter,

[Erik Schaefer]

Oh she was 18 in 1834, not 17.  That was poor math.  Thank you.  So maybe that is her parents and siblings in the 1834 and 1840 censuses and she had already left home.


I still cannot find her burial after 1880, but I will keep looking.

[Ralph Rasmussen]

Re: math - particularly in 1787 and 1801, understand 'in her nth year'.

She was baptized at home, but even on FS image 30, I can't read the date.

Witnesses, in part:

Jomfru Mortensen, Else Peders Dtt
Forvalter ?orsalt, Peder Haulund
Friderik Hofman, Alle paa Ost..?
gaarden

[Erik Schaefer]

It's also still a mystery to me where this family was in 1850, 1860 and 1870. 

[John Wrenholt]

When I attempt to pull up the family for the 1870 census, I'm getting an error message but here is the information pieced together as well as I could. They were living in Ødis.  It shows that the oldest child listed was born in Ødis in 1856.


Census Year   1870
Name   Mette Marie Nilsen
Gender   Kvinde
Age   53

Born Year   1817
Born Placename   Vamdrup Sogn Ribe Amt
Born Date   

House Role   Husmoder
Business   
Marital Status   Gift
No. of Marriages   

Family No.   
Matr no.   Drenderup Mark
Parish   Ødis
Hundred   Nørre Tyrstrup
County   Vejle
Placename   Ødis

1278   Hans Nilsen   Male   55   1815   Married   Husfader Boelsmand
   1279   Mette Marie Nilsen   Female   53   1817   Married   Husmoder
   1280   Søren Hansen Nilsen   Male   14   1856   Single   Barn
   1281   Nils Hansen Nilsen   Male   12   1858   Single   Barn
   1282   Jens Mortensen Nilsen   Male   9   1861   Single   Barn
   1283   Hans Nilsen   Male   6   1864   Single   Barn

[Erik Schaefer]

Thank you John!

I was searching for "Nielsen" not "Nilsen"  That was my problem.

[Inger Toudal]

Mette Marie's confirmation 1832: Hjarup, Anst, Ribe 1826-1839, opslag 28, No 2.

Ribe, Anst, Vamdrup, V. Vamdrup Bye, en Gaard, 65, FT-1845, C2464
Name:    Age:    Marital status:      Pos. in household:      Occupation:      Birth place:
Morten Jensen Pedersen    23    Gift       Gaardmand    Her i sognet
Ane Christine Sørensdatter    32    Gift       hans kone    Her i sognet
Søren Jensen    3    Ugift       deres børn    Her i sognet
Peder Jensen    1    Ugift       deres børn    Her i sognet
Kirsten Magr. Mortensen    63    Enke       Svigermoderen, forsørges af dem    Her i sognet
Jens Sørensen    31    Ugift       hendes børn, tjenestefolk paa gaarden    Her i sognet
Mette Marie Sørensdatter    29    Ugift       hendes børn, tjenestefolk paa gaarden    Her i sognet
Magdalene Sørensdatter    28    Ugift       hendes børn, tjenestefolk paa gaarden    Her i sognet
Marie Kirstine Sørensdatter    19    Ugift       Tjenestepige    Her i sognet

Vejle, Nørre Tyrstrup, Ødis (Slesvigsk), Drenderupmark, 17. Parseel, 205, FT-1860, B1953
Name:    Age:    Marital status:      Pos. in household:      Occupation:      Birth place:
Hans Nielsen    45    Gift    Huusfader. Parcelist       Vamdrup Sogn
Mette Marie Sørensen    44    Gift    hans Kone       Vamdrup Sogn
Kirsten Hansen    14    Ugift    deres Børn       Vamdrup Sogn
Kirsten Magrethe Hansen    8    Ugift    deres Børn       Øddis Sogn
Søren Hansen    5    Ugift    deres Børn       Øddis Sogn
Niels Hansen    3    Ugift    deres Børn       Øddis Sogn

Vejle, Nørre Tyrstrup, Ødis (Kongerigsk), Ødis, Drenderup Mark, , FT-1870, D4180
Name:    Age:    Marital status:      Pos. in household:      Occupation:      Birth place:
Hans Nilsen    55    Gift    Husfader    Boelsmand    Vamdrup Sogn Ribe Amt
Mette Marie Nilsen    53    Gift    Husmoder       Vamdrup Sogn Ribe Amt
Søren Hansen Nilsen    14    Ugift    Barn       Ødis Sogn
Nils Hansen Nilsen    12    Ugift    Barn       Ødis Sogn
Jens Mortensen Nilsen    9    Ugift    Barn       Ødis Sogn
Hans Nilsen    6    Ugift    Barn       Ødis Sogn

Vejle, Nørre Tyrstrup, Ødis, Bramdrup, hus, 116, FT-1890, C5769
Name:    Age:    Marital status:      Pos. in household:      Occupation:      Birth place:
Søren Hansen Nielsen    39    Gift    husfader    snedker    Ødis
Bodel Kathrine Nielsen    26    Gift    husmoder       Vamdrup
Mette Marie Nielsen    73    Enke    husmoder       Vamdrup
Mette Marie Nielsen    4    Ugift          ødis
Peter Nielsen    2    Ugift    barn       ødis
Jes Hansen Petersen    18    Ugift    tjenestetyende    medhjælper    Vamdrup

The 1845, 1860, and 1890 censuses I've copied from http://ddd.dda.dk/dddform_uk.asp, the 1870 census from http://ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person.asp - as "Show household" resulted in an error message at the English site.

In 1850, the family may have lived in an area where no census was taken because of the First Schleswig War.

I believe this must be the groom Hans Nielsen - maybe you already have this census:

Ribe, Anst, Vamdrup, V. Vamdrup Bye, et Huus, 79, FT-1845, C2464
Name:    Age:    Marital status:      Pos. in household:      Occupation:      Birth place:
Niels Christensen    75    Gift       Aftægtsmand    Føuling sogn, Ribe amt
Kirsten Hansdatter    66    Gift       hans kone    Her i sognet
Hans Nielsen    30    Ugift       hans søn, dagleier    Her i sognet
Kirsten Johannesdatter    32    Gift       Inderste, Manden tjener    Egtved sogn, Vejle amt
Mette Marie Johannissen    6    Ugift       deres børn    Haderslev
Laurits Johannisen    2    Ugift       deres børn    Her i sognet

Best regards,
Inger Toudal

[Erik Schaefer]

Thanks Inger, I did already have Hans in the 1845 Census, but I appreciate it.

Ok so I understand how I overlooked the 1870 census because it was not the spelling I was looking for. 

In the other censuses, I am confused about one thing. What is the difference between these three places:

Ødis
Ødis (Slesvigsk)
Ødis (Kongerigsk)

I think maybe this is where I messed up, only searching in Ødis and not the other two.

EDIT: Ok I think I have it.  Slesvigsk means it was part of the Schleswig duchy.  Kongerigsk means it was back in the Kingdom of Denmark.  Is that right?

[Inger Toudal]

Yes, that's right, Erik. Before the Second Schleswig War 1864, the northern part of Tyrstrup district was part of the Duchy of Schleswig (under Danish rule). After the war Denmark was allowed to keep this area and it became part of the Kingdom of Denmark.

"In the Treaty of Vienna, 30 October 1864, Denmark ceded Schleswig, Holstein and Lauenburg to Prussia and Austria. Denmark was also forced to surrender the enclaves in western Schleswig that were legally part of Denmark proper and not part of Schleswig, but was allowed to keep the island of Ærø (which had been administered as part of Schleswig), the town of Ribe and its surrounding land, and eight parishes from Tyrstrup Herred south of Kolding."

Quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Schleswig_War

Best regards,
Inger T.

[Erik Schaefer]

Thanks Inger, I'm familiar with the Schleswig War, I just didn't understand why for DDD they differentiate between who "owned" Ødis at the time.  It seems it would make searching a lot eacher if they just called them all "Ødis sogn" regardless of who owned it at the time (so people like me didn't have to search all three choices). 

[Inger Toudal]

Hi Erik,

The censuses in the Danish duchies were taken according to jurisdictions (not parishes as in the Kingdom of Denmark). The inhabitants in one parish could be divided among several different jurisdictions.

I don't quite know how they've dealt with this at ddd.dda.dk, but what I do, when there are two or three alternatives for a parish, is to do search in each alternative, e.g. Ødis, Ødis (Kongerigsk), and Ødis (Slesvigsk).

Ødis parish in the 1860 census (AO, BETA viewer):

http://www.sa.dk/ao/billedviser?bsid=10229#10229,255246 (Kongerigsk)

http://www.sa.dk/ao/billedviser?bsid=10604#10604,263216 (Slesvigsk)

http://www.sa.dk/ao/billedviser?bsid=10675#10675,269923 (Slesvigsk)

Best regards,
Inger T.