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Help with Ole Jensen from Tranholm
« Dato: 10 Nov 2019 - 03:36 »
Hello everyone,

My great great grandfather, and the patriarch of my Danish-American family (he migrated in 1909) Lars Peter Jensen was born out of wedlock to an Ole Jensen and his mother, Johanne Marie Kathrine Larsen, in 1884 in the village of Tranholm, Horsens sogn, Aalborg. While we as a family know a lot about Lars and his mother (well, a lot is an exaggeration), I am trying to find out what happened to Ole, as he seems to completely disappear from all records between 1880 and 1890. Here's what I know so far:

1. His parents are Jens Christian Simonsen (18 Dec 1821 - 24 Nov 1893 in Tranholm) and Anne Jensdatter (13 Oct 1832 in Dronninglund - 10 Nov 1887 in Tranholm). I believe that they may have been landowners and owned a farm there, but I do not know enough about Danish society at the time to know exactly what the situation was.

2. He had an older brother, also named Ole Jensen, that only lived to be 3 years old (born in 1853 and died in 1856).

3. He was born on 5 Feb 1858 and baptized on the 13th. Record was found here, line number 2: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=164443#164443,27618763

4. He was confirmed in 1872 in Horsens sogn, line number 9: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=164444#164444,27619049

5. He has several siblings:
     a. Ane Kirstine Jensen (b. 21 Dec 1861 in Tranholm)
     b. Maren Jensen (b. 1866 in Tranholm)
     c. Jens Jensen (b. 1869 in Tranholm)
     d. Jens Christian Jensen (b. 1873 in Tranholm)

6. He appears in every census from 1860 to 1880:
     1860: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid9041293
     1870: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid9228952
     1880: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid10170487

7. His son, Lars Peter Jensen, is born in 1884 in Tranholm. He can be found here, line number 3: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=164445#164445,27619157. If I understand the record correctly, it states that Ole and the mother were not married, but that he was aware that he was the father of the child. The mother, Johanne Marie Kathrine Larsen, was working as a servant in someone's household at the time. I believe that is what the annotation on Lars' birth record says, and also jives with what the family already knows. I would not know how to find out exactly where she was at that time however.

8. Ole Jensen only appears in one other place that I can find: in military levying rolls. The first is here: (1876 Ø Omskrevet 1887) https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481029#19809,1606184. The second place he appears is here: (1876 Ø Tilgangsrulle) https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481029&fbclid=IwAR1b7G96vlu0AHHv1qHLr1fzOc8ml0sIQaoO3cYy9hFQFI8D8fDN2Y4PTbk#187132,31757124. I am not sure how to make sense of these. I believe he was removed from the rolls in 1890, which implies to me that he was at least alive until then. The record in the Tilgangsrulle however puzzles me, and I don't know if it is useful or not.

At this point I've hit a dead end. If anyone has any ideas about where to look, I'm all ears. Thank you very much!

- Matthew Dent

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« Svar #1 Dato: 10 Nov 2019 - 20:16 »
Lars Peder Jensens fødsel: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123964#164445,27619157

Ole is "udlagt barnefader", so Lars Peter Jensen is illegitimate.

Lægdsruller:
Tilgangsrulle 1876. Lægd 439.
Ø5: Ole Jensen.
Father: gaardmand Jens Christian Simonsen.
Born: Horsens Sogn, Kjær [Kær] Herred. 5/2 1858.
1883: M1 - 1285 - b
Source: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481029#187132,31757124
NB: M1 = Millitær-arbejder ved Søværnet. [Military worker in the Navy]

Sadly their is no mention of him moving (or dying)?

So he is transferred to the navy, but sadly I can't seem to find any "sørulle" archives from "5. udskrivningskreds" or one covering Ålborg Amt?
"Kær Herredsfoged" have a list of passes, but only covers 1852-1861.
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« Svar #2 Dato: 10 Nov 2019 - 20:38 »
It seems he was transferred to the sea roll (sørulle)?

Unfortunately, only very few are online: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/other/other-collection/179

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« Svar #3 Dato: 10 Nov 2019 - 20:39 »
Very likely [Wrong] Ole Jensen in Vejle.

Census 1890: Vestergade matrikel 491a forhus. Vejle Town.
Ole Jensen. 32 years. Born Horsens. Married. Housefather. Butcher.
Jensine Jensen. 29 yeaers. Born Vejle. Married. Housemother.
Karen Jensine Jensen. 3 years. Born Vejle. Child.
Source (p. 45): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=62823#62823,12369476

Born: 12. Januar 1887 i Vejle Sogn.
Name: Karen Jensine Marie Jensen.
Father: bucher Ole Jensen.
Mother. wife Jensine Andrea born Hansen, 26 years in Vejle.
Source (p. 213, no 9): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127732#171613,28809557

Married: 29. November 1884 i Vejle Sogn.
Butcher Ole Jensen, baptized 18. Oktober 1857......etc
Source (p. 184, no 49): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127732#171609,28808678
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« Svar #4 Dato: 10 Nov 2019 - 20:52 »
It's not the right Ole Jensen:

https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/churchbook/sogn2927/churchlisting144573/opslag16241497 - No 49

- born in Horsens, Skanderborg county, it seems.

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« Svar #5 Dato: 11 Nov 2019 - 00:41 »
Darn. Are there other navy records that I could look at? If I read correctly he was taken off the roll in 1890 which sounds to me like he was still around somewhere, where I don't know. I suppose it's also possible he emigrated...

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« Svar #6 Dato: 11 Nov 2019 - 10:22 »
Birth and baptism of Lars Peter Jensen is easier to read in the new scan:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21584038#356313,70427089 - No 3

His mother is unmarried Johanne Marie Kathrine Larsen, staying with her father, tenant (Indsidder) Lars Peter Pedersen, Horsens [village of Horsens].
The alleged father of the child is bachelor Ole Jensen, Tranholm, who acknowledges the paternity.

Remarks: 10 months prior to giving birth, the mother was working as a servant in Tranholm.

Ole's father Jens Chr. Simonsen was a farm owner, who employed 3-5 servants (Tjenestefolk, -tyende).

I was trying to look up the probate records for 1887 and 1893 from Kær Herredsfoged, but they are not online:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/geo/geo-collection/18

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« Svar #7 Dato: 11 Nov 2019 - 16:52 »
I guess now is a good time to start planning a trip to Copenhagen...

I've done a very broad search of the 1890 census and can't find anyone that looks remotely like him. Is it possible he actually served in the navy and went somewhere?

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« Svar #8 Dato: 13 Nov 2019 - 18:32 »
I guess now is a good time to start planning a trip to Copenhagen...

I've done a very broad search of the 1890 census and can't find anyone that looks remotely like him. Is it possible he actually served in the navy and went somewhere?

The removal from the "searoll" in 1890 is to my knowledge pretty automatic based on age -> I don't think it proves they necessarily knew about his whereabouts or whether he was dead or alive. [I could be wrong though]
Quite a few Danes used the opportunity in being in the navy (or in the merchant fleet) to "jump ship" and emigrate -> could be US, Canada, South Africa, Australia or New Zealand?
The problem is then when jumping ship they sometimes used false names and/or age....

Getting to see the searoll archives might be your best bet to figure out more.
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« Svar #9 Dato: 13 Nov 2019 - 19:28 »
That makes a lot of sense to me. Given that he got a poor servant girl pregnant, I'm getting a gut feeling that he went off somewhere. His parents' farm seems to have gone to his sister, so it's really the only explanation. I really appreciate all the help! He's quite the enigma.

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« Svar #10 Dato: 13 Nov 2019 - 22:55 »
Another possibility is the skifte (probate) after his father Jens Christian Simonsen.
As he dies in 1893 it might give information on the whereabouts of Ole (or if he is dead) for that year.

It should be the Skifteprotokol for Kær Herred.
Source: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17054239#194225,32542294
Unfortunately the probates from 1862-1898 not online yet; hopefully soon.